Coming to grips with the contraception kerfuffle Around Town, posted by Editor, Danville Weekly Online, on Feb 23, 2012 at 10:27 am
In this week's [Web Link Raucous Caucus] educator and recruiter Tom Cushing discusses the ongoing debate surrounding an Affordable Care Act provision stating that employers, including religious-affiliated hospitals, must provide the option of contraception coverage to employees in their healthcare plans. "It's been widely reported that fully 99 percent of sexually active Catholic women have employed birth control," Cushing writes. "Who really represents The Church on this issue?"
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 3:08 PM
Posted by John Tanner, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 23, 2012 at 10:27 am
Don't you like how Republicans are now aligned with the religious extremists in our nation. The word 'God' is the lamest excuse for intolerance, sexual exploitation and male discrimination against women.
How about the Catholic Bishops, who work for and represent the largest child pedophilia rapist organization in the world, taking a stand.
Guess what, your unseemly organization has chosen to be an employer here in the United States, that thankfully has separation of church and state. And the hospitals receive GOVERNMENT MONEY. If you don't want to offer womens health services to your "EMPLOYEES" then sell your hospitals to a private enterprise.
And rather than squak about our President, how about focusing on your own flock of sinners by excommunicating every single female catholic that has used birth control, and every single male that could not keep their zipper up before they got married, and every single priest that has abused or been accused of abusing children. Like the religious preachers say, God has a plan. I guess God's plan was to have droves of homosexually abusive pedophiliacs join the catholic church, with a treasure trove of young students and altar boys at their disposal. We think Sandusky was evil. What he did was replicate what the church had been doing 1000s of times over... 1000s upon 1000s!!!!!
Posted by Danville, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Mr. Tanner: Your slanderous, hateful bigotry of the Catholic Church is apalling. Only good thing about your hatred post is the reminder that even today in Danville, religious persecution and racial discrimination still exists.
Posted by John Tanner, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 8:03 am
Sorry, but the information contained is factual. There is no slander. The catholic church has had many many child abusers among their priestly ranks. You just don't like how someone might want to chose to phrase a reality that most want to sweep under the rug. Thank 'the people' for our system that separates church and state.
Posted by CM, a resident of the Blackhawk neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 8:39 am
It's just another avenue Obama has chosen to control us! Government has no business getting involved in our sexual lives, no matter what the religion. I never thought I would see the day that teenagers, as young as 12, could order contraceptives online or over the phone and have them mailed to them "free", at the taxpayer's expense! What about abstinence? Why don't parents teach their children "NOT" to have sex! What has this country come to? It saddens me how much this country has declined, especially since Obama took office. Another four years of Obama and this country will be depleted of all morals and principles! Wake up people!
Posted by Danville Independent, a member of the San Ramon Valley High School community, on Feb 24, 2012 at 9:15 am
When anybody or any organization enters the secular marketplace, they should abide by the secular rules. This is TRULY a case of separating church and state: The religious rights of the Catholic Church (or ANY church, or mosque, or synagogue) end when they begin limiting the rights of others. And I'm speaking as a long-standing Catholic (St. Isidore's) who strongly believes in the individual right to birth control.
Do we really WANT a Theocracy here in America? I believe our Founding Fathers thought not: why in the world would we want any health organization invoking religious freedom to limit services needed by their female staff and their families?
Posted by CM, a resident of the Blackhawk neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:14 am
I agree with the comments by the Danville Independent! Do you want to live "FREE" or do you want full government control of your lives.... because that's what Obama's all about? CONTROL! Do you honestly believe the government knows better how to run your life than you do? It's happening folks, so wake up and smell the coffee! We are becoming a socialist/communist country! Another four years of Obama and we will definitely be all that and more! YOUR FREEDOMS WILL BE GONE!!!!
Posted by Danville Independent, a member of the San Ramon Valley High School community, on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:55 am
Sorry, CM....you obviously miss my point: I'm all for President Obama's stance on this issue, and I do take exception (even though I'm Catholic) of ANY religious organization telling ME about my health rights: I AM FREE, and will remain so even under the new Health Care Reform laws. What is wrong with making sure our health care is affordable, which is EXACTLY what this plan does? One point (I bet YOU don't even know this) is that our Health Insurance companies will now have to make sure that 80% of what they take in in premiums, will have to be paid out in payments (it's more like 50% now with some companies!!: They POCKET the other 50%!!). Has THIS been OK with you?? Are you satisfied with them screwing us like this?? Why do you THINK they're fighting this so ferociously? I'm a proud American, I don't listen to the far-Right-Wing fear-mongers (Socialist/communist country? Oh Please!),...and I stand with my President with this issue, and I believe most Americans do as well....
Posted by JRM, a member of the Vista Grande Elementary School community, on Feb 24, 2012 at 11:35 am
Right on Danville Independent! As a healthcare executive with 25 years experience on the provider, payer and medical device industries what you say about the payers is absolutely spot on. CM has no idea what he is talking about, I suggest he turn off FOX and start actually getting educated about the implications of NOT reforming our out of control and non sustainable health insurance premium increases. It simply cannot continue, from a trending numbers standpoint and some Americans just don't get it. Remember folks, the United States and South Africa are the only 2 industialized nations that do not have cradle to grave universal health care coverage. Don't believe the baloney you hear from the likes of Anthem, Aetna or Cigna, they are simply trying to preserve their lucrative gold mine ripping all of us off. Most bankruptcies are due to medical expenses in many states, remember one bad cat scan and you could be next! It is shameful we need to have cookie bakesales to pay for leukemia treatments for children in our fine country.
Posted by Derek, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 10:55 am
Careful Mr. Tanner!
When I pointed out the same facts as you did replying to an article about the stealing of St. Isidore's bank account funds, "Danville", "Collins", and four other nutjobs starting screaming holy bloody Catholic Jihad. I had to leave town for a while when I saw the torches approaching. Sadly, none of them seem to understand what "slander" and "bigotry" even mean. I provided copious links for my evidence, but the poor fellows were too terrified of what they might learn to red them.
Posted by John Tanner, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 9:41 am
Have you noticed that anyone that references "socialism" and "complete government control" of our lives, and getting "rid of regulations" is unable to think for themselves, unable to have an original thought. So they just repeat the extremist mantras of their holy or poli war curmudgeons. Seriously people, if you can't find a few good things in the healthcare act, then your IQ is at the level of a rock. Time to be honest and admit the red banner of the Republican brand is blinding you to the facts. I would rather be an open-minded than blind to the facts.
Posted by KKD, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Feb 29, 2012 at 2:01 pm
May God help and forgive all of us for our insensitivity on the real issues. What is meant by the term "free" - nothing is free - not even sex, birth control (even if the government says it is), healthcare, etc. If you want to deceive yourself and support the lies in Washington that our lives are "better" because of Obamacare, then perhaps you have not spoken enough to the people who actually work in the healthcare industry. Sure, private insurance is expensive and no doubt we need health care "reform" - but modeling one which eventually "demands" public purchase and participation will lead us right into the socialist society we think we are "free" from. May God open our hearts and minds as true Americans so we can preserve this great country.
Posted by Joe Republican, a resident of the Diablo neighborhood, on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:23 am
Like some said in responses above, if you pull out "god" it is just an excuse for not thinking. We need no help from "god", because it is just a concept. What we need is help from the good secular and religious people of our society, who together have created our cultural ethic and morality. In "People" We Trust.
And there is not one ounce of thinking going into the "socialist" scare mantra. Hopefully "god" will not strike kkd, his family or closest friends with an illness or condition that results in their being coldly dropped from their health care coverage. There is no amount of god that is going to rescue the dumped covered individual from the greedy profit driven motives of your supposed health care insurer. Don't believe me? Find one case where god stepped in and corrected this wrong. Don't believe me, do some research on the internet or watch some of the specials and documentaries that have been done on this topic.
Oh, and if Republicans take office, let's strike down government regulations, like the one thats preventing PG&E from dumping its nuclear waste from Diablo Canyon on KKD's backyard. How about dumping the regulations for clean air, clean water, safe vehicles, safe toys, a 'safe' financial system? How about having the government stopping FDIC insurance on your bank deposits. That's a regulation that most people like.
I am a Republican and what is TOTALLY annoying is other republicans that pretend socialism is going to take over, which is just as likely as totaliarnism taking over or a total theocracy. or that all of Romney derived Obamacare is bad, or that all regulations are bad. No wonder this party has been proven to be the party of the lower intellect, one of our leading candidates for president mocks going to college and religion should be in our government. Aagh, our party is now a party of crazies like the democrats were in the 70's and 80's!!!!
Posted by MO, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Mar 1, 2012 at 1:16 pm
A Catholic hospital is a business, and, like any other business, should be free to be run as the owners see fit. If the consumers feel under-served, they are also free--to seek care elsewhere. Planned Parenthood would be only too happy to meet all their contraceptive and abortive needs.
Posted by Susan, a resident of the Blackhawk neighborhood, on Mar 1, 2012 at 2:14 pm
The thing that drives me nuts with this whole thing is the people that are behind this are considering birth control a preventative health issue. Having sex and procreating is a choice, not like getting cancer, HIV (by non-controllable means), or numerous other diseases that we as individuals can't control. Insurance companies and businesses shouldn't be forced to and our tax dollars should not be used to fund a feel good activity!
Posted by Lisa, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Mar 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Any church that did what The Catholic church did.....Should have NO SAY in on any issue again. Makes me sick they are so bold to SAY WHAT IS BEST. Go repair the lives you ruined, and zip it for the next thirty years.
Posted by Danville, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Lisa: This is what the "Catholic Church did":
-Educate 2.6 million students each year at Catholic schools at the cost to the Catholic Church of 10 billion dollars annually;
-Provide 230 Catholic colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,00 students;
-Run a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals in the U.S., which accounts for 20% of hospital treatment in the U.S., treating everyone, regardless of religion;
-Run Catholic charity programs and soup kitchens and Saint Vincent De Paul, taking care of millions of people in need each year;
-1.7% of Catholic clergy have been found guilty of pedophilia, compared to 10% of Protestant ministers. 12% of 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner, and 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual conduct in a study by the United Methodist Church. Statistics show that Catholic priests have a significant lower percentage of inappropriate sexual conduct than other religions.
Lisa, this is "what the Catholic Church does". Although it is not perfect, because it is made up on humans who by nature are imperfect, it does so many fantastic good deeds to help the poor and ill, to educate society, and provide services that our cash poor government fails to provide to its citizens.
If the Catholic church did not exist, our public schools would be even more overcrowded and under funded, our county public hospitals wold not have the resources to treat all the additional patients, making our health care system even worse, and all the poor who depend on the Catholic charities and soup kitchens would be in even worse dire straits.
Lisa, do you have a religion? Is your religion perfect,are all of it's members perfect and without problems or sin? Does your religion provide the education, the colleges, the hospital care, the charity ministries, that the Catholic Church provides?