San Ramon May Boost Fines and Fees Crimes & Incidents, posted by jrm, a member of the Vista Grande Elementary School community, on Apr 27, 2010 at 8:50 am jrm is a member (registered user) of Danville Express
The article on the above in this morning's paper describes San Ramon's desire to raise parking violations that carry a $20 to $30 fine up to a whopping $35. New fines include $50 for parking in a fire lane, $100 for having a bicycle in a skate park, $100 for littering and $100 for smoking in a park. Plus usage fees for all sport field wil go up substantially as well. I remember a previous thread where a ticket for not wearing a seat belt cost the citizen $300.00. I have 2 concerns, first, these fines onerous in tough times, and second, I'm sure our town would soon follow suit to catch up to this enhanced revenue opportunity. I hope folks in San Ramon will stand up and say "enough, the answer is no".
Posted by jrm, a member of the Vista Grande Elementary School community, on Apr 27, 2010 at 10:48 pm
As usual amerikan misses the point, very few of us live in a house with a no parking fire zone marked in front of our lots, the issue is the city can arbitrarily raise fees without much public resistance, not that a fire zone infringement fine is too expensive. It is of interest that some cities that partnered with the "red light camera" companies over the last few years (San Ramon included) are now getting a substantial push back from the citizens since the accumulated data is showing the majority of tickets are for "California Stop" violations costing $375.00 and the resultant auto insurance premium increases downstream for the offenders exceed that total over a 5 year period. Moreover there is no evidence of reduced collisions which the camera companies hypothesized would result after their installation. I know amerikan is all for a police state in the end but this runaway parking fee bonanza (A la Walnut Creek) should be curtailed at some point. I know he could care less about sports field fees but they seem to be raising those aggresively when all the rest of the evidence indicates we are getting more obese and access to these facilties should be made even more available. What the heck, Chevron, among the world's biggest conglomeration of wealth has their corporate office in San Ramon, why must the city stick to the soccer, kids football, and little league participants?
Posted by Skater Bob, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Apr 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm
true as neighborhood residential fire in twin creeks happened just as that was said by above, there have to be strong deterrants to simple rules. Parking tickets are the most troublesome because everyone is vulnerable if they park in an unscrupulous place, however to all the non smokers and skateboarders out there, it's a benefit to stop(somewhat) people from taking an environment geared towards a specific group for recreation and causing a nuisance with second hand smoke while I'm walking my dog or playing soccer, and getting kicked out of the half pipe because some idiot's trying to go BMX on an inadequate facility for BMX.
Keep the stunts off road at memorial park dont ruin central park's skate ramps please!
Posted by Skater Bob, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Apr 27, 2010 at 11:02 pm
I agree JRM heavy fines are not fun for anybody but for those who've never had to pay a fine, big deal what's it affect us?
Chevron has lawyers and stiff resistance so the city won't do anything to threaten their most influential resident, and public sports leagues get to "rent" the park facilities owned by the city and paid for by developer(aka Chevron) money so its a merry go round of economics..unfair as it may be...
Posted by American, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Apr 28, 2010 at 7:04 am
"JRM": You specifically complained in your writing of a $50 fine for illegally parking in a fire zone, stating it was "onerous". I simply responded that you would not think a $50 fine was "onerous" if your house was on fire and an illegally parked vehicle prevented the fire department from saving lives. You then followed your normal practice of personally attacking others, using subjective labels, and making false assumptions with no supporting evidence. I am absolutely against red light cameras, I am absolutely against a police state, and I care a lot about sport field fees as I have spent the last 8 years serving as a volunteer little league coach and youth basketball coach. In the future, if you wish to discuss a topic, please try to do so in a factual, objective, intelligent manner, without personally attacking others with false labels and false assumptions.
Posted by Longtime Resident, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Apr 28, 2010 at 2:39 pm Longtime Resident is a member (registered user) of Danville Express
jrm, I'm not sure exactly what the point of your diatribe was, but San Ramon does not use red light cameras for enforcement. The proposed fines aren't outrageous - $100 so my kids don't have to trip over some pig's trash in a park or breathe their 2nd hand smoke is fine with me since I don't do those things. Here is Danville's: Web Link
Posted by Ralph N. Shirlet, a resident of another community, on Apr 29, 2010 at 6:54 am
Diablo Vista region neighbors are Rolling On the Floor Laughing (ROFL) at this exchange. This morning many were sharing the concept of parking meters in Danville that are designed to look like Redwood Trees.
What makes the humor more incongruous is the reality that this exchange was to consider San Ramon's boost in fines and fees. Some in the exchange have actually considered that outcome and others were drifting toward discussions of peanut butter.