Posted by SC, a member of the Greenbrook Elementary School community, on Dec 22, 2009 at 9:25 am
I run and walk A LOT as well as drive (sigh- a necessity) and just don't understand why so many people run in the street when it just isn't safe to do so. Had the jogger been on the sidewalk, he likely would not have been hit. No one "asks" to get hit, and I hope for the gentleman's quick recovery, BUT we all need to take responsibility and not increase our likelihood of injury when we can. The Iron Horse trail is dark in the early am hours but Crow Canyon's sidewalk is lighted and he should jog there.
Posted by Diane, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 9:40 am
I agree with Lori - the jogger likely would have been able to reduce the risk of being hit by jogging on the sidewalk. Better yet, maybe the driver of the car could avoid playing target practice on people going on their morning run! The jogger could have used better judgment, but the driver is a criminal.
I run on Iron Horse trail in the a.m. and frequently step in what the dogs leave behind and the owners don't pick up! Since I leave before it is light in the morning in order to finish and get to work, I avoid the street but I do wish I didn't have to soak my shoes on a regular basis when I get home.
Posted by Jean, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:22 am
I just don't understand why folks don't leave the bike lanes for bicycles. Better yet, why is it that people take leisurely walks on the street when there are perfect sidewalks on both sides on the street?
Posted by Carol, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I think the most important part of this story is that the jogger jumped out of the way when he saw the car approaching him. The jogger was aware of the car approaching, made an effort to remove himself from potential danger but alas, was hit anyway.
It seems more an issue of bad luck than placing blame on the victim for running in the street.
To blame the victim is the easiest way for people to feel reassured that they will not ever suffer the same fate.
Posted by Greg, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2009 at 6:40 am
Carol must be the victims wife! I am smart enough to jog on the sidewalk. Everyone should know the street is for cars and the bike lane is for bikes. I don't understand why people jog in the bike lane. That would be like riding a bike on 680. Some people just need to be a little smarter. I don't know how some people make it through life. Shame on the driver of the car, I know they will catch him or her, they always do........this person is not smart either. Lump of coal or nothing.......thats how I feel! Same thing goes for the idiots who ride their bikes on windig roads that have no berm or bike lane........they are just asking to get killed. What if their front wheel goes off the road and they fall in front of an innocent driver and get killed........to me that is a selfish act. The driver has to live with that the rest of their lives.
Posted by heather stretch, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2009 at 8:38 am
Please - joggers (and i wish i were one of you!) - just use your common sense! it's still pretty dark at 630am. use the sidewalk and wear relfective clothing. now, Happy Christmas Everyone! Let's count our blessings. Love, peace, good health, hope & happiness to YOU ALL!
Posted by Diane, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2009 at 9:07 am
Just a thought, but if the jogger "jumped out of the way" when the driver swerved toward him as the article states, chances are he jumped onto the sidewalk - and was still hit. Greg and Carl - if that is the case, you could still be road kill even when jogging on that sidewalk.
I agree that jogging in the road is unsafe (maybe even the sidewalk has it's hazards when someone decides to run you over and take out a light pole in the process). But let's not forget that the driver of the car clearly went out of his/her way to ruin this guy's morning run.
Posted by Sara, a resident of the Diablo neighborhood, on Dec 25, 2009 at 9:31 am
I jog in the street too because the sidewalk is broken, uneven, and full of cracks making it very easy to trip. The Iron Horse Trail is dangerous too! If one of the rude cyclists riding two abreast doesn’t hit you, someone with their dog on a twenty-five foot flexi -leash will either trip you or wrap the leash around your legs. If the bike lane is for bikes, why was the car driving in the bike lane? Funny how you blame the runner and not the driver of the car. You’re probably the kind of guy who blames women, who wear short skirts, for being raped, rather than the pig who rapes her. Hope you’re not one of my neighbors. Be safe Greg and have a nice Holiday.
Posted by Greg, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 25, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Oh Sara........In fact, I love short skirts. And don't want to see anyone get raped. And I know the driver is wrong and he will be caught shortly as they always are. Please don't be like GEORGE!!!!! We all have our own opinions and I don't like it when I am riding and people are walking or running in the bike lane. I have never had a problem on the Iron Horse Trail either! Just jump over the cracks and stay off the road and you will be safe! You would be happy to have me as a neighbor just because I express myself does not mean I am a bad person. I am the type of person who will say what other people are thinking but afraid to say! I would be your favorite neighbor. I have a sense of humor as well!!!
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 26, 2009 at 12:37 pm
"He got what he was asking for." Hey, nice one Greg, resident of the Danville neighborhood. Your maturity, or lack thereof, is rather comical at best. I could apply so many analogies to mimic the ridiculous, callous statement you just made. [Post removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language.] The sad thing is that your mindset is that of a child, thus rendering you unable converse in any kind of intelligent discussion. Of course, there is always the possibility that you are an adult. If in fact you are an adult, you really have some mental health issues, my man.
Posted by Greg, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 28, 2009 at 6:29 am
Hey BUD..........that was a mouthful! Fact is, I am just a normal guy that walks and runs on the sidewalk where normal people belong. It is probably you I see riding your bike on the sidewalk not the bike lane. If I were to jog on the street, I would be asking for trouble. I choose not to do that. But I do express my feelings and I am sorry if I hit a nerve with you. You should learn a lesson from this poor guys or (your) mistake.......I have a feeling you are the street jogger and I wish you a speedy recovery! I say what other people are thinking but afraid to say! Be safe out there and keep the rubber side DOWN. Hope you learned your lesson MY MAN!!!!!!
No mental health issues here, sorry. And I am an adult. Feel free to remove the post crybaby!
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 9:55 am
You forget, Greg, that you made a very immature remark by saying , "He got what he was asking for." You made that stupid remark, not me. And no, I'm not a street (another stupid remark on your part)jogger. The problem is, Greggy, you made a dumb remark and you got called on it. What if that guy had been hit by the car and died? Would you have had the nerve to face his family and say, "He got what he was asking for?" Huh? I doubt it. You must be very angry, Greg.
Posted by jrm, a member of the Vista Grande Elementary School community, on Dec 30, 2009 at 10:08 am
Wow....I think Bud needs to chill a bit. I run on the Iron Horse Trail regularly and have never had a problem with leashes or errant bike riders. I prefer the trail because it minimizes the risk of tripping on an irregular surface and it is level and flat, us long term runners know the strrets and bike lanes are slanted toward the curve to facilitate water drainage and this angling puts extra outside pressure on your knees with each impact. Reflective clothing is important if you are going to run on the streets in the dark. Seems there were errors on the part of both individuals.
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 10:34 am
You agree with what Greg said, JRM? Just checking because I run on the Iron Horse Trail too. The thing is, just because a person runs in the street doesn't mean he his "asking for it." A simple analogy would be walking in Oakland. I walk in Oakland so I'm "asking for it" (being shot)? LOL.
Posted by Greg, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 2:16 pm
BUDDY........you didn't call me on anything.........thats just how I feel and you are not going to change the way I feel. I would feel bad had you died but you didn't............so you learned a lesson, (I HOPE)! I suppose you would jog on a winding road with no berm,or bike lane, thats smart too! Do you like it when you are walking on the sidewalk and some idiot rides by and nearly hits you when he should be riding in a bike lane...........use your head BUDDY and you might live longer. I am not mad........just say how I feel!
And BUDDY......just because YOU think my remark was stupid doesn't necessarily mean that it was stupid. Like I said when you ask for trouble you may get it, in Oakland or Danville my man!
Posted by Greg, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Buddy.............I just read your stupid remark again and boy is that a stupid one. Yes if you were to walk the streets of Oakland you would be asking for trouble, even if you are a gang member. If you walk or jog on the street you are asking for trouble. Thats why we have sidewalks my man.
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Hi Greg, wow, LOL, you really are upset. One thing you overlooked is the fact that you never said anything about the felon who who committed a crime. Instead, you focused on the victim as though he caused it. Are you of the criminal mindset, Greg? If they catch the guy who hit the victim, are you going to still blame the jogged? Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I think you might be a criminal defense attorney, perhaps? Blame the victim, not the criminal? Man, you are a piece of work.
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 8:26 am
I read what you wrote, Gregster, that is why I commented on your piece of...thought? Anyway, you briefly mentioned that the driver will be caught. But, once again, you still blamed the victim. Here is what the driver did: Assault with a deadly weapon, leaving the scene of an accident, wreckless driving, destruction of public property and so on. I'd give you the the actual Cal. Penal Codes, but I think you get the point. The bottom line is that I'm sticking up for the jogger who was a victim of a crime, you side with the suspect. It's really too bad that what came out of that hole beneath your nose contained so much disreguard for the victim.
Happy trails and may you never be the victim of a crime, Gregster
Posted by Gregster, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm
BUDMISTER...........you are sooooo RIGHT.....how could I make such a stupid remark, shame on me............I must be a terrible individual. [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Dec 31, 2009 at 3:55 pm
LOL. You are very angry, Greg. Maybe you shouldn't drive tonight. Oh, nice mention of the penal code by the way, it kinda supports my theory about the criminal mindset you appear to be taking on. Be that as it may, I accept your inability to deliver thought provoking content, what a shame.
Posted by Bud, a resident of the San Ramon neighborhood, on Jan 1, 2010 at 10:02 am
Let's see, a man is simply jogging in the road and is hit by a car. Old Greggy makes a comment, "He got what he deserved." The jogger could have found a safer place in which to run, no question about that. But to say somebody deserved to get hit by a car for simply jogging in the street is a crude and very stupid remark. And of course Greggy hardly made mention of the fleeing felon.
By the way, I saw SRPD at the scene of that accident the following morning. I saw the light pole that had been sheered off at the base. Also, the grade of the street is fairly steep. The driver must have been going very fast to not only hit the jogger, but still have enough speed to collapse the light pole. Maybe Greggy should visit the scene of the accident. Better yet, Gregster should talk to SRPD and get their take on the incident; I think he might find my brothers in blue having a much different opinion.