Released murder suspect back in custody Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Danville Weekly Online, on Aug 24, 2009 at 7:40 pm
An Alameda County teenager arrested in connection with the January slaying of 17-year-old Rylan Fuchs is back in custody after being released from juvenile detention under a home monitoring program. The 15-year-old suspect was arrested three days after the killing of the San Ramon Valley High School student and was held at the Alameda County Juvenile Justice Center on an unrelated charge.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, August 24, 2009, 4:55 PM
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I'm so glad we brought this little creep into our town. No more. I can't believe we let the little murderer out of prison. Now you know why people are arming up. And of course he violated his probation. Thank god he didn't kill someone while he was out. And now we got reports of the same type of thugs coming via the group home into our town, our schools, to intimidate and harm our children even more. I don't think so
Posted by Frank, a resident of the Alamo neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 10:47 am
Thats NICE......let him out so he can kill someone else. What does he have to loose. It's the same ones that they let go....and they do something else before they put them in JAIL where they belong in the first place. When will these district attorneys LEARN!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I have been made aware that there are plans to put another group home in Danville, this time in the heart of town. Isn't that dandy. I ask the Danville Weekly if you will confirm the validity of this news
Posted by Aaron, a resident of the Alamo neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Rick, I'm so sick of your off-the-mark rhetoric. The CHILD who has not even been officially ACCUSED of this crime, may or not have been staying in a group home, but common sense dictates that you can't make assumptions about the others in a group home situation. I've actually been to group homes in my line of work. They're often made up of children separated from their parents when their parents and the system failed the children, not the other way around. Group homes have existed quietly within our community for many, many years. I'd say a single tragic incident is hardly worthy of panic. If we're going to use your pathetic logic, why don't we outlaw people living together all together? After all, domestic violence is far and away the leading threat of violence in our community.
And Frank, DA's don't decide who is in or out of jail, judges do. Basic civics - you cannot arrest someone until charges are filed unless you have probable cause and are prepared to present that in court. There are no murder charges pending against the child, only unrelated charges out of Alameda County, not Contra Costa. If Alameda's probation department allowed the child to have in home detention, than the charges pending there cannot be too serious. Until local detectives have enough evidence to charge the child, the DA cannot seek an indictment.
Posted by Concerned Mom, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Aaron, it is pretty well known that this CHILD shot another CHILD to death, while I agree with you about making assumptions about other's in the group home, I have to say that I have two students at SRVHS and have heard some very distrubing stories and have to hope that the stories are being blown out of proportion, but after reading this article, I am beginning to wonder. And I'd say armed robbery at the age of 15 is pretty darn serious.
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Aaron, I provide ten times the evidence to support my claims than you ever have. You wanna be hardheaded in the face of logic? Fine. But you ain't draggin us down with you. And common sense absolutely dictates my arguments, as opposed to your spineless and clueless perceptions. If you wish to see one of my long arguments for my case, check the other recent article about Rylan's murder and the Sheriff's department wrapping things up on finding all those linked. I stated my case there as to why group homes are an unusual and unacceptable threat. I would like to add that several of those group home kids have caused trouble outside of the murderer, including some who harassed girls and others who possessed guns.
Posted by Concerned parent, a member of the Greenbrook Elementary School community, on Aug 26, 2009 at 7:30 am
I happen to live right around the corner from the group home where the kid lived who allegedly killed Rylan Fuchs. Ever since this group home came into the neighborhood there has been nothing but trouble. Police cars are at the house all the time. We have had break ins into our cars and even our homes since they moved in. However, the have never been caught for these crimes though we have started a neighborhood watch and some neighbors have seen them walking around late at night. The police are very aware of who they are.
They should have a curfew and someone watching their them but that doesnt seem to be happening. So I had a real concern about these kids before this murder. Now with what has occurred this group home needs to be closed down!
I had heard this same kid tried raping a girl at SRVHS when he attended that school. Hasnt this group home done enough damage to our town to prove it must be closed down?
Posted by John, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 7:42 am
I see that you use the typical strategy of personal attack when you can't make a logical argument. We see this allot in today's political discussions. Try reading all the posts on the subject relating to both articles and see whether you think that the community is safer. With the two new 'additions' to the community exchanging "Gang signs" during a school orientation, I do not see these additions as a positive to our community.
Posted by Michael, a resident of the Walnut Creek neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 8:10 am
Aaron, you have a very common sense approach to this incident and please do not discourage the others from exposing themselves with their ignorance. I use the the Danville Weekly to point out to my children the narrow minded attitude of adults that live as our neighbors and to what level we need to be prepared for in dealing with them.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:28 am
I’m just blown away with Aaron’s comment, I can’t even respond!
I totally agree with “Concerned Mom”.
Michael: I wish everyone had common sense. Using the word “ignorance” is a little pushy. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHILD KILLING ANOTHER CHILD!!! Of course not everyone in a group home is bad, but I still don’t want to take a chance of bringing troubled children from the city into our town. Why can’t the city take care of their own problems? I am all for helping children that can be helped, but if they have a long list of crimes, they can’t be helped by placing them in a group home and allowing them to mix with OUR children.
We should have jails like other countries, no material possessions and, of course, no luxuries. Breathing fresh air is a privilege. If we had jails like that, we wouldn’t have so many 2nd offenses.
For heavens sake…we lost one of our own children…a Danville child…nothing else matters...we need to make sure this never happens again!
Posted by Dylan, a member of the Greenbrook Elementary School community, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:41 am
It is really sad to read arguments that become personal insults. Obviously, we all are angry about what happened and we don't want it to happen again. BUT, it is not necessary to tear each other down. What kind of society are we becoming when we have to resort to insults and not stick to the issues. I believe that the way politians attack each other has become exceptable across the board. We can't solve our problems that way. We just break down into groups filled with hate. It is ashame when the middle and upper class allow themselves to drop down to the level of gang mentality - us vs. them. It only takes one snide remark or insult to get the mudslinging started. Our world is already filled with enough hatred and anger. Why create more? YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
Posted by Michael, a resident of the Walnut Creek neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:51 am
There was no insult intended when I used the word "ignorance". When someone uses information that they lack complete knowledge of it is an act of ignorance, as defined in the English dictionary. This is the reason why I agree with Aaron, I'm not saying I would want a group home next door to me but at least he is informed and using an informed approach as opposed to reacting. Yes, a child was murdered the real issue is drugs not the group home.
Posted by Michael, a resident of the Walnut Creek neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:57 am
Marie, I rarely go in the direction of religion in a forum such as this but I present this question to you. Would you like to have had 1 opportunity to get your life right? The line to Heaven on judgment day would be a short one if that were the case.
Posted by Jim, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:36 am
Michael, I agree with what you say. Aaron has a more "common sense" approach to this incident. I also agree that the Danville Weekly is a great way to see just how backward thinking some (not all) of our neighbors are.
Now, let's shift our attention to what brought these two individuals, the vic and the perp together. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was a territory dispute in the buying/selling or trading of pot, i.e."dealing", which is illegal. Engaging in this type of activity brings you in contact with criminals and makes you, yourself a criminal for being involved. "Dealing" with criminals will most certainly over time cause you to come in contact with another criminal bearing a gun. That IS the way it is. Maybe our focus should be on changing what is causing our children to engage in this type of criminal activity, not on whether or not a group home should exist.
Just suppose "pot" were legal. Would there have been a dispute? Would we be having this discussion at all?
It's unfortunate that one young man has died and another young man's life is over. I have faith in the legal system and I believe the person responsible has been identified and will be brought to justice. I have faith in our society to exercise the wisdom necessary to stop turning our youth into criminals and putting their lives and futures at risk. And by the way, I have faith in nature that says the hate and bigotry of an aging group will soon be gone, and hopefully the NIMBY'ers will forget the teachings of that group.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:39 am
Michael: I used the word "heaven" as a figure of speech, sorry if it confused you. Also, (I may be wrong, but) it seems like Rick is pretty close to this case and knows more than most of us, or he is connecting all of the dots from all of the details in this case. He certainly does not “lack complete knowledge” in this situation.
Posted by Concerned Mom, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:00 am
Also, I am sure everyone of us would love the opportunity to change a wrong to a right!
I agree with you regarding Rick, he may not always come across "politically correct" but he certainly shows passion when it comes to children and keeping them safe. While I don't always agree with him, he puts forth an effort.
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:02 am
By your definition, Michael, you are deeply ignorant. The issue here is absolutely not drugs - weed. I stated my case on the other recent article "Sheriff's deputies continue probe in Fuchs' killing." There I went to great lengths to show my line of reasoning.
And how is Aaron informed? What incontrovertible evidence has he put forth to substantiate his claims? And what have you put forth? That's right - nothing.
I use comments like yours and Aaron's to show the youths of our community how feeble, impotent and mentally deficient certain people can be. I have spoken with countless youths in this area and several have said pretty much the same thing, revolving around one basic notion. And that is, "Why are the adults of Danville so willing to put the children of Danville at risk for the sake of kids from Richmond, many of which are gangbangers?"
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:14 am
Are there two Concerned Mom's on this site. One doesn't seem to jive with the other. The one addressing Jim doesn't seem like the one who said this "After reading the lastest post from "another concerned mom", my son told me about these two (group home) boy's and while I am all for someone getting a fresh start in life, this is NOT the way to start when given a second chance, very disturbing!!"
This Concerned Mom was talking about what Another Concerned Mom said, which is this - "Rick your post is right on with some points and others are a little off...... My concern is group homes and the kids. My child is a student at SRVHS if in fact you are some how involved at the high school you might want to take a look around. Just today my child told me that lots of kids are concerned about the two new boys that just moved into a local group home. These two boys attended the high school orientation last week. The entire time the students & staff were directing orientation the two boys were throwing up gang signs to the kids left and right. Along with bragging about where they came from and there gang connections. So I myself and not too convinced this isnt going to become a bigger problem."
These comments and others from concerned parents were posted on the "Fuchs killing" article.
Jim, you are a terrible person to imply that old people are full of hate and you can't wait until they die with their beliefs. Unfortunately for you homeboy, I myself am under thirty and so are the vast majority of people I associate with whom agree with me. I'm going to re-post my comment from the "Fuchs killing" article, for all those spouting off nonsense about this being about weed more than bringing murderers into our community.
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:16 am
Kids have been buying pot here for decades with no homicides. We bring in a few kids from Richmond via a group home and one of them turns out to be a full on gangbanging, cold-blooded murderer. That's some real scary stats. This is a town of more than 40,000 and we had no murders like this. Towns like these barely have any murders period, as opposed to Oakland or Richmond which have like a hundred a year. Do you, parents of Danville, really want your kids living in a war zone like that? Danville has it's rare murder every couple of years or so, but they're always familial, like all small towns. Familial murders are between people of the same family, like the brother who killed his brother two years ago, or the mom who recently committed suicide after killing her son. These are terrible, but they are not threatening to the community. They are not a threat to our children. As long you're not nuts and neither you family or closest friends, well then you're relatively insulated from murder. On the other hand, Richmond's morgues are full of victims who did not know their killer, or did just barely, and even the killer did not know them. The victims were caught in some random crossifre, like that Oakland boy who was playing the piano when suddenly a stray bullet flew through the window and hit him. They were killed for something petty, such as their sneakers. They were killed because some newby gangstas have to kill someone for initiation. Or, like Rylan, they got killed over pot. Because a different ethic reigns in the hood. Here, kids barely stole weed even in opportunistic situations, let alone killing over it. That's just absurd. But let a hoodie in one of our kids ends up shot in the back of the head. Do you really want your kids to live in that type of world, where if they get mixed up a little bit with pot that they may be gang-style executed? Do you wanna believe that, if your kids were like Rylan, that they brought their murder upon themselves. Or might we wanna say "yeah, dealing with weed isn't good, but let's make sure that if they make that small mistake that there's no people around that will blow their heads off!" Trying to make all good kids at school not smoke pot is like making them all abstinent. It's no easy battle, if even possible. Whereas, not importing killers into our midst is as easy as not doing something. We say no more group homes. Boom! Problem-solved. And our kids would be relatively safe again.
When people bust their butts and get themselves out of Richmond and come here to start their families, those people tend to be good for the community. They showed themselves to be different from the rest by having the discipline and appreciation for a better life. This is natural integration. This brings the grateful and hardworking into Danville, people who say "thank God we're not in Richmond anymore, where everyones getting killed.". They teach their kids to be respectful of this good and decent community. Not so if we give a handout to broad swaths of the ghetto, via section 8 housing and especially through group homes. Group homes bring "troubled teens" into our community to go to school with our kids! Can you believe that?! And they obviously can't separate the wheat from the chaff, the good from the insanely evil! People who come on their own accord, through their good works, have separated themselves from the hood. Group homes bring the hood to us
Posted by Concerned Mom, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 11:55 am
Rick, I think there are 2 of us using the same "name", I am the one who wrote about being "distubed" and the lastest one regarding your passion when it comes to kids. Should have clarified my response to Jim about the "nail on the head" about pot being legal. I also wrote about fresh start in life..
Posted by Joe (Rylan Fuchs Best Friend), a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Aaron- Get your facts straight. We all know who killed our dear friend, the justice system is just so faulty it lets some one who pulls a trigger out. I find your remarks extremely offensive, and quite frankly, nieve.
Posted by Klaus, a resident of another community, on Aug 26, 2009 at 5:08 pm
All of you, who believe that this juvenile committed this crime, have not examined the evidence. Your word is not above the law, and your feelings do not count in the justice system. IF this 15 yr. old has not been charged is because he is presumed innocent due to lack of evidence.
The gossiping from the students at SRVHS has been distorted and cannot keep their accounts straight. Those students could be charged with slander and libel for accusing this juvenile of a crime that he has not been convicted of yet. Remember in this country you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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Aaron you are correct in your points, contrary to what people are saying to you, and are followers of Rick, who might be on top of some mountain.
Rick, you are delusional instigator of problems and hate. If there are group homes here who cares, they are LEGAL, and have a license to operate.
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Everyone deserves a chance this juvenile is no different. And stop calling him killer.
Posted by Master, a resident of another community, on Aug 26, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Concerned Mom or Rick (Both sounds the same)
This is what the law prescribes, your "out of line" has no foundation. This investigation everyone is speaking about is not only a county crime, it is a Federal Crime. Agencies work in combination in their own field of work, but at a glance this is a Federal Crime Investigation in progress.
Now who is "out of Line'?
21 U.S.C. § 863 : US Code - Section 863: Drug paraphernalia
(a) In general
It is unlawful for any person -
(1) to sell or offer for sale drug paraphernalia;
(2) to use the mails or any other facility of interstate
commerce to transport drug paraphernalia; or
(3) to import or export drug paraphernalia.
Anyone convicted of an offense under subsection (a) of this
section shall be imprisoned for not more than three years and fined
under title 18.
(c) Seizure and forfeiture
Any drug paraphernalia involved in any violation of subsection
(a) of this section shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture upon
the conviction of a person for such violation. Any such
paraphernalia shall be delivered to the Administrator of General
Services, General Services Administration, who may order such
paraphernalia destroyed or may authorize its use for law
enforcement or educational purposes by Federal, State, or local
(d) "Drug paraphernalia" defined
The term "drug paraphernalia" means any equipment, product, or
material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for
use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing,
Posted by Liberal Reader, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Dear Danville Weekly,
You are in violation of the freedom of speech rights of the United States Constitution, you cannot remove comments deemed offensive by your own meanings. You should remove Rick's Anti-Semetic coments, and his obscene language. Why are you silencing Klaus?
Posted by Max, a resident of the Alamo neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I know what you are talking about liberal reader:
If you want to keep assuming I'm a Christian, go ahead. It shows your own prejudice against Christians, because you obviously don't like me or what I stand for, and you thus jump to the conclusion that I'm christian, which means you think all Christians are jerks. That would be like me saying, "I know you're a Jew considering the lack of patriotism you express." I think Christians are great people and a hell of a lot smarter than you Klaus. Their religion is based on the kindest prophet to ever walk the Earth, a man who believed in pacifism and loving the ones who hate you. I am friends with Jews, so don't think my comment was anything more than a hypothetical so that I may show your own prejudice.
Isn't this against the Califronia Penal Code:
a)No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States in whole or in part because of one or more of the actual or perceived characteristics of the victim listed in subdivision (a) of Section 422.55.
(b)No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall knowingly deface, damage, or destroy the real or personal property of any other person for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to the other person by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States, in whole or in part because of one or more of the actual or perceived characteristics of the victim listed in subdivision (a) of Section 422.55.
Danvile Weekly, you do not excercise correct Journalsim, because Journalism exposes the truth no matter how it comes. Journalism is about investigation, not feelings.
Posted by Concerned Mom, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I am not Rick, nor am I opposed to group homes, everyone in life deserves a chance to right a wrong, it is sad that some throw their's away, and it's just sad that 2 boy's lost their lives over pot. According to the articles I have read it sure looks like the kid in custody will be charged. Why don't you read my other post before you judge me. What I meant regarding your comment to Joe, it's pretty obvious he's young and he lost someone he cares about and you were (in my opinion) out if line. If he is Rylan's best friend then I am sure he would have been questioned!
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm
If I might make suggestion to you, Concerned Mom, don't second guess yourself in the face of punks like Master. I may have a hard edge, but I tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't pick on a teenager whose best friend was recently murdered, especially when Joe wasn't being over the top in his comment.
Master, you are scum. What are you the master of, striking low blows on kids amidst tragedy? If you said that to Joe and we were face to face, I wouldve knocked your block off. Punk
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:27 pm
And Klaus, you embody the absolutely warped thinking of those on your side of this debate. You don't want people getting upset at a murderer, but you want to criminally prosecute scared kids for talking about the murder. You deviant.
And what are you talking about Liberal Reader?! I've been censored many times. You and you're ilk are the fascists. And were you referring to Greg from Red Eye?
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 27, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I should reword what I said to you Concerned Mom. You stood for what you believe well. However, punks like Master who jump into the debate with a low blow to a kid whose friend was murdered are beneath convincing. He deserves no explanation- only a smack in the face
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 28, 2009 at 9:20 am
This was posted by a student of San Ramon on the other thread about Rylan's murder. I felt it was important to show here.
"I go to SR and I heard about the 2 new kids throwing up gang signs too. This is rediculous. The last couple years I've been here I've heard 2 bad incidents with these group home kids. First a girl getting raped and now another guy getting shot. Its a little out of hand if you ask me. I'm sure there is kids at the group home who actually do want a second chance, but maybe someone there should keep an eye on the other kids..."
Posted by rylans friend, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm
thank you for everyone who is supportive of this "kid" being taken into custody. for those of us who were close to rylan and remain close to his family we know in our hearts what happened and this "kid", whether he commited the crime or not, was part of the murder. I stand by joe 100%.
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2009 at 11:22 am
Here's a little update as to what is being done to fix the problem with the group homes. After deliberation with some lawyers, we have decided that the best line of attack is through civil litigation. The government is built to give us the run around. If we protest to local political leaders, they whine that they can't do anything because of state and federal laws. If you go to the state and especially federal level, you are a tiny ant amongst an infinite mass, irrelevant. However, with the court system, we could strike a powerful local blow to this loathsome entity. We can not sue them for existing, however we can sue them for negligence, reckless guardianship, even attractive nuisance. These group home owners and managers brought in raping, murdering gangbangers, then don't oversee a curfew?! I tell you what, if you're bringing in "troubled teens" from Richmond, you best be watching them all f***ing night, rotating shifts! You best check their f***ing bags and rooms every morning and night! That's just one of the several manners in which they have been on the verge of criminal negligence.
If one more incident comes out of these group homes from these kids, it will lock into place this class action lawsuit. The group home has been made aware of their recklessness and negligence. If they do not change their ways and another incident occurs, they will be ripe for suit. We shall sue them and the city, for not doing their duties in overseeing the group homes and their faulty management. We shall sue them for all they got, then do our own form of wealth distribution back into the community, to help the good and the hardworking of DANVILLE!!!
If one of those kids so much as looks at a fellow student in an off way, we shall bring down the hammer IN FULL!!!
Posted by Sharon, a member of the San Ramon Valley High School community, on Sep 4, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Rick, as much as you and I disagree (big time) I am relieved to see you channeling some of that anger into a legally directed avenue toward your goals. That is doesn't involve weapons and does involve legal advice is a great relief.
I don't know what the outcome of this will be, but if it results in additional supervision and support for the residents of the home, then that can only benefit the community at large. If the home shuts down, then you have achieved your goal and that of some others on this forum in a reasonable fashion.
Posted by Student, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Sep 10, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I go to that school, and the students here...aka your children... all agree that this is a tragedy that could've been prevented if the group homes were not put in what we would consider neighborhoods that are generally low-crimed and well off. Even though such is quite a discriminating assumption, it is an assumption of the group homes based on evidence of the past, such as the rape case that occurred at the high school.Though, I must agree that this is definitely a generalization... past experiences have shown it is a legitimate one.
HOWEVER, I do not believe either one of these bickering adults are truly knowledgeable... In both the rape and the murder case, the victims both chose to mix in with the offenders in the first place. They both knew what these two were involved in and chose to talk and to associate with these kids. I do not believe (and this is addressed to Rick) that preventing group home kids from coming into Danville will actually prevent Danville kids from seeking such bad influences. And for you doubters of these previous statement.. trust me, the kids, especially teenagers, of our community are far from innocent.